Saturday, April 21, 2012

"Tyria" solely refers to the Continent itself?

Was reading the GWP and GWF manuscripts, analyzing, comparing, you-know.

I noticed something, when the word "Tyria" is used, it is referring to the continent and not the "world" or "planet" (or whatever you want to call it).

Some examples:

1) The Forgotten only exists in the Continent of Tyria (if Elona is connected, then in Elona as well).

GWF Manuscript p.45 states that:


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"Tyrian visitors claim that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten of the northern continent."




Simply means that the Forgotten never landed or touched the Continent of Cantha right?


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"The Serpents were summoned by the old gods out of the rift to 'shepherd the other creatures of the land through this time of transition, while the gods continued to create the world around them.'"




(GWP manuscript, forgot to write down the page number).

Which means, the old gods created the landmass of Tyria first than the other landmass, possible?




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786 BE or Late Pre-Imperial Era (275 PIE): Humans appear in the Continent of Cantha for the first time and settle the Northern coastline before spreading completely across the continent.

Their development is unhindered by the Forgotten.




GWF Manuscript Unified Timeline.



Could it be that all this time we were interpreting the references to "Tyria" as referring to the "world" when it is literally referring to the continent itself?

Another example, The gods gave magic to the "inteligent race of Tyria", how about the other continents then?

Could it be that the other continents gained magic because they had travellers when the old gods gave the gift of magic?

Example, by the time the old gods gave the gift of magic, the Empire of the Dragon already have an embassy and an ambassador in the Kingdom of Ascalon for 99 years already. The embassy/ambassador was established on 100BE and the gods gave the gift of magic on 1BE.

Could some of the Shining Blade members originated from Elona, say like their leader? (can't remember her name). And we also know already (Scribe #10) that one of Elona's provinces borders the "Crystal Desert", then could it be that they acquired magic and learned of the old gods because of the Tyrian civilizations?



There are other stuff that is strongly supporting this, but there is one major problem:

GWP Manuscript said: "And the gods leave Tyria."

That one line contradicts everything that GWP and GWF manuscripts provides us (and maybe in-game texts as well) that the events in Tyria is solely to Tyria.

What do you think? I like to hear refutes to this claim ^_^ Will help in the interpretation of some stuff in the timeline.



PS

Some non-lore possibilities:

1) When they wrote the manuscript, they haven't finalized the SL of the other campaigns;

2) They haven't really thought of "the gods leave the Planet whatever" and wrote instead "the gods leave Tyria";

3) They just want to put conflicting SLs so we can't close it (which many modern writers do).

:p|||It could refer to both the continent and the world. In the Guidebook it also says that the gods were in Cantha at the same time they were in Tyria. It also shows that they left the exact time they left from the continent Tyria.

It also shows that the forgotten were also in Cantha as well, it's just that they were never disturbed by the native Canthans.|||I interpreted the "unhindered by the Forgotten" line as the Canthans were able to develop faster than Tyrians because there were no Forgotten on the continent.|||Yah, same here @Heelz.

@Yota, guidebook, you mean the one that is "sold separately" for Factions?

Was it by ANet or a third-party publication/writer ??

Coz if it is 'cannon', then it will be in conflict with ANet's GWF Manuscript (p45):


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"Tyrian visitors claim that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten of the northern continent."




When they could just write "The people thinks that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten."

Hmm, now I am curious what is in that guidebook.|||The historian who compiled the prophecies manuscripts refers to the GW world as Tyria because he is from Tyria. Tyria was more or less the "known world", just like how the Mediterranean was back in the ancient days.|||Either Gaile or the Frog said that when they say "Tyria" it is both the world and the continent of Prophecies.|||Ahh its official.

Hmm, now which is which. Which refers to the continent only and which refers to the "planet" in the GWP manuscript.

Some "Tyria" usage could be either so its hard to tell.

1) Forgotten - Tyria continent only?

2) the gods "took back" magic - Tyria continent only? - this seems to be concentrated too much on Tyria to be the "planet"?? - but then the "magic-war" could be happening in the different continents...



Hmm wait... it could be that the when the old gods gave magic "to Tyria" it was referring to the "continent itself".

And then, when the Bloodstones was spewn by the volcano, it spread across "Tyria" (the planet) and gave magic to the rest of the "planet Tyria". Coz, the "magic-war" was specifically referring to the continent of Tyria, which could be proven because the gods don't have any knowledge of the "magic-war" raging on (???)

Since the scattering of the Bloodstones "across Tyria" (GWP Manuscript), no one found it all yet and was even written that they will never get together again (if I remember it correctly, its not in my notes).

Hmm... ehe, thanks in advance (I'll go play in the Elite Missions for now).|||Quote:








I interpreted the "unhindered by the Forgotten" line as the Canthans were able to develop faster than Tyrians because there were no Forgotten on the continent.




From the guidbook (the one not sold with the game) we know that the Forgotten were in all Tyria, the planet. The word "unhidered" means basicly, undisturbed. The Guidbooks says the Cathan Humans 1st appeared on the tip of Shing Jea Island and built their exmpire from there. The Serpents started to withdraw so they never came in contact with the human residants of Cantha.|||Also, the Manuscripts talk about the Old Gods giving magick to the races of Tyria. In the Factions Lore Guide in the Prima Guide, it talks about Ritualists being in touch with the spirits before this, and adopting Grenth and their other various gods after magick was granted. In this paragraph, it specifically states "after magic was given to the races of Tyria", meaning the planet.|||Hmm, I should buy that Prima Guide then if it is considered "cannon".

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