Kurzicks,Ascalonians,and Altrumm Ruins

There has been some discussion between some about Kurzick architecture and Ascalonian architecture. However, there is also similar conversing over the Altrumm Ruins that helped inspire the Arborstone Cathedral. However, we know not the people who built the Altrumm Ruins. Yet there is something nearby to the Arborstone Cathedral, yet more towards the Altrumm Ruins that brought some thoughts to mind. In Tyria we encounter either two or three of these teleporter dials in Ascalon.



And yet, in a dark corner close to the Altrumm Ruins we find yet another?



What is at the entrance to that chamber to the Altrumm teleportation dial though?



Ascalonian arches. If you do not believe me look at the pics taken below that in Ascalon. They are common in the Catacombs and can be found at the Resurrection Shrines around Ascalon. The Altrumm Ruins helped inspire the architecture of Arborstone Cathedral and what can you see quite a bit of in the cathedral? Arches, you can see them in almost all the forms of Kurzick architecture really.



I cannot say for sure how common the Ascalonian arches are in the Echovald, but I can say they are to be seen in the Altrumm Ruins as plentiful.

Now, where's the connection? It's quite simple, if the Ascalonians have those teleporter dials and the Kurzicks have one in a deep dark corner of the forest it is as simple as connecting the dots. I think that there may have been a group of Ascalonians that somehow managed to teleport themselves from where they were across the ocean and into the Echovald. It does sound absurd though and questions like, Don't they need one of those dials already there to teleport there? and the like. Assuming the group of Ascalonians couldn't find out how to get back they probably had to just create a small town and then something or another happened and they either died or disappeared.

Yet if you think about it, we don't know who to credit for the creation of those teleporter dials. It could be the Ascalonians, it could be the Krytans,and who knows, it could even be a Forgotten creation. They are so plentiful around Tyria, it's really hard to say.

Edit: Quintus, if this needs to go into the Canthan Lore section feel free to move it.

Here is just another pic of the very same Ascalonian arches in the Altrumm Ruins.

|||minor point: There is no specific proof that teleport platforms like these require a teleport pad at the destination. The various professions already have limited forms of teleporting in their combat-specialised knowledge. It's logically possible for someone properly trained in teleportation theory to basically teleport to a destination without something configured to "receive" them. Once there, the working gate for those untrained in advanced teleportation could be built.|||That is a good point, the only reason I put that question there is because I expected that someone might bring it up later.|||Isn't it more likely that during the time that the Canthans and Ascalonians were on good relations (read the timelines in the Manuscripts for more on this) that they built teleporter dials to connect important locations? Keep in mind the Nolani Academy and Sumaria were both known worldwide for their magical education and culture, respectively. If a Kurzick Duke wanted to send his child to Ascalon to study at Nolani, would he rather stick them on a ship that takes four or five months across dangerous seas, or would he rather just 'port them over magically? Also, the similarities in architecture seem rather significant, but I don't believe they indicate that the Kurzicks are the Ascalonians or vise versa, or that this was ever the case. Just as Ascalon was known worldwide for its beauty and academies, so too were the Kurzicks known for their brilliance in the arts. It makes amazing sense that these two cultures would have been sharing their respective cultures with each other during the time Cantha was a prescence in Tyria. As I mentioned in the other thread, I personally believe it is probable that the Kurzicks aided in the construction of things like Stormcaller, given their musical prowess, and perhaps even in major architectural undertakings like the building of the Great Northern Wall. We can't think of every culture in Tyria as an island, even in the Dark Ages of Earth cultures who were vastly different and vastly seperated were constantly exchanging ideas, and in a place with magic, like Tyria, this would be more pronunced. Keep in mind, also, that the Kurzicks are completely unlike the Canthans and Luxons in that they are European-based, while the Canthans and Luxons are Asian-based in their cultural inspirations (Canthans being a mash of Far East, and Luxons being a mash of Near East cultures). To me, cooperation between the Kurzicks and the Ascalonians makes perfect sense seeing the similiarities between their two cultures.|||I have seen one of those teleport platforms in The Deep as well but it was placed on a wall and it resembled a gate. It was located at a distant but I could clearly see it was one of those things.|||Is there actually any proof that those ARE teleportation dials? Sure, one is under the magical gateway to the Nolani Academy, but that does not immediately mean everything that features the same pattern must be a teleporter.

Perhaps they simply shared culture when Cantha was a presence in Tyria.

I'd like to bring attention to something: you mentioned the arches are present in the catacombs. Who build the catacombs? the Asurans. Who are likely to have an underground link to Echovald (which we know is riddled with underground passages)? The Asuans.

Either way, i think all of this is straying very, very far from what we are actually told in-game.

I have also seen the strange gate in the Deep. First time there, i was annoyed we could not visit it



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Darn, you beat me to it.




Hehe|||Darn, you beat me to it.

Except my explanation would have been that those were possibly built by the Asurans. Seeing as the Altrum Ruins were built by something unknown and Ascalon has the Catacombs, also unknown who built those.|||Maybe the Asuran dug a way to The Deep but soon realised a terrible demon was slumbering there, then they sealed the path with a magical seal?|||Quote:








Is there actually any proof that those ARE teleportation dials? Sure, one is under the magical gateway to the Nolani Academy, but that does not immediately mean everything that features the same pattern must be a teleporter.

Perhaps they simply shared culture when Cantha was a presence in Tyria.

I'd like to bring attention to something: you mentioned the arches are present in the catacombs. Who build the catacombs? the Asurans. Who are likely to have an underground link to Echovald (which we know is riddled with underground passages)? The Asuans.




I agree. Also, remember that there was a possible Deldrimor presence in the Aurios Mines, why not Altruum too? If the dwarves can traverse the depths of Tyria, why can't the Asura?|||Quote:








Is there actually any proof that those ARE teleportation dials? Sure, one is under the magical gateway to the Nolani Academy, but that does not immediately mean everything that features the same pattern must be a teleporter.

I'd like to bring attention to something: you mentioned the arches are present in the catacombs. Who build the catacombs? the Asurans. Who are likely to have an underground link to Echovald (which we know is riddled with underground passages)? The Asuans.





http://guildwars.incgamers.com/forum...d.php?t=386336

There's the research done on the Transport Dials. I was very skeptical at first, but they did some bang-up research in that thread, and convinced me.

Also, it hasn't said the Asura built the Catacombs yet, it just says they have an underground empire. It's too early to start assuming.