Of Glint and the Seer (various spoilers)

I've seen a lot of posts speculating about Glint and her intentions as well as what knowledge the Seer(s) may have had about the Mursaat and what was really going on behind the scenes with the soul stones. I'd just like to throw my pair of pennies into things here.

Work with me here, then let me know what you think...

Lets say Glint was acting in the best interest of everyone not named Abaddon, and that the Seer was in on it with her. She was, if I recall, the first living creation of the original gods. This would actually mean that she predates Grenth, and possibly other current gods as well, correct?

What if she was in disagreement with the way that the five chose to punish/imprison Abaddon? In her wisdom she sees that he is beaten but not broken and that he will eventually rise again. She understands that if more proactive steps are not taken Abaddon will continue to amass power from within Torment until he is unstopable.

She can not play a direct part in what is to come for whatever reason, but she sets into motion a plan that will eventually force Abaddon's hand before he is ready.

Okay, everyone still with me? I hope so, here we go again...

She creates the Prophecies to set things into motion. The Mursaat were doing a job that needed to be done to maintain the status-quo. Glint knows that the status-quo will only lead to disaster and so enlists the Seer(s) to provide aid in dealing with the Mursaat at least long enough to reach the Door of Kormalie.

Maybe the Seer did not know what was on the other side of the door or what the Mursaat were really doing, but it could also be that they were simply playing dumb to make sure the Flameseeker Prophesies were carried out. After all, if somebody told your character beforehand that the Mursaat were providing a service that held shut a door to Torment, but you have to stop them from doing that in order to prevent something much worse from maybe happening down the road, how would they have acted? (sorry for the ROS there)

As it stands, you rush in, let the door get blown open and then you seal it for good (presumably) after that. In the process you have forced Abaddon to act faster than he probably would have liked, and at the same time you have prevented him from using a very fast and efficient gateway to start his takeover when he is ready.

All this eventually leads to you confronting Abaddon long before he would have liked, he still hasn't even managed to remove his chains when he is met in final battle.

Without Glint pushing things and playing puppet-master from the shadows none of this would have come to pass, and Abaddon would have been free to continue consolidating his power in Torment until he was strong enough to snap his shackles and storm the heavens on his own. She lets the ends justify the means in order to make sure the final fight is not on Abaddon's terms.

You know, or not... Just my take on things.|||That seems like a lot of unnecessary scheming to me. It'd make much more sense to work with the Mursaat if she was simply trying to stop Abaddon. I'm not sure what is up with Glint, but I'm not quite convinced she is fully good or fully evil. Glint, the Mursaat, and the Seers are some very big lose ends.

Okay, well here's something else to consider. The Forgotten, who at least in some part serve Glint, know about the Door of Komalie (Khomali as they call it) and what is behind it. Why exactly did Glint want to open that Door when her Forgotten soldiers knew what was behind it?

I personally believe that Glint was just ignorant. Abaddon was the god of knowledge and secrets, he has shown that he works through dreams and visions. It is much more logical that he just manipulated Glint just like everyone else to remove his strongest opposition and jailers so he could break free.|||sure, there were gods that predated our own pantheon, but it is not said glint is the first creation of the original gods, but just that she is the first creation of the gods. i'm sure that refers to the current gods, so glint wouldn't predate grenth or any of the gods i'm afraid.|||I'm not sure Glint was ignorant so much as blind to the truth... but I agree with QA on this... it was probably Abaddon's way of removing his jailers.

As for the Seers... when we first meet them in the Iron Mines of Moladune mission the Seer says that they (the Seer's race) have been fighting the Mursaat for a long time. Has anyone compaired the Seers to the Margonites to see how close the body forms are? I don't have any good pictures of them to compaire with.|||i think body form should stop being taken as ANY form of evidence. there has so far been no solid example of body form between two races actually meaning they are in some way connected. has anyone ever noticed that dryders and aloe seeds share more than a few traits, while not simply being re-used models?|||You do make good points there QA.

I was looking at, what you correctly point out to be the convoluted, almost Rube-Goldbergian scheme against the Mursaat to be a move made by somebody who will not or can not interfear on her own.

I can't recall any longer why it was that she had been sequestered within a grain of sand in the first place. I think we're told she hid there, but it could easily have been any other reason that she has spun into the 'truth' that best suits her over the millenia. Maybe she was trapped there by the gods for some transgression against them in the past.

It could also be that she harbors a general resentment of all six of the gods. At least one, possibly all of them came into being after she did. Maybe she felt slighted that these upstarts were placed into power above her.

If that is the case, then her actions could be considerd to serve only her own spiteful spirit (so to speak). After all, by opening the door she sets into motion events that lead directly to Abaddon's attempted escape (he'd have tried sooner or later anyway, but this sped things along). If he succedes in getting out he will seek revenge on the other five. If he is stopped then it will most likely mean his destruction. Either way she gets some measure of revenge on the people she dislikes most in creation.

Think of it as the guy at your office who gets passed over for promotion a handful of times and does nothing butthink of ways to mess with the 'jerks' who leapfrogged him on the org. chart.

You're certainly right about their being a lot of loose ends still hanging from the Prophecies campaign. Maybe some will be cleared up in chapter 4.|||Quote:








I'm not sure Glint was ignorant so much as blind to the truth... but I agree with QA on this... it was probably Abaddon's way of removing his jailers.

As for the Seers... when we first meet them in the Iron Mines of Moladune mission the Seer says that they (the Seer's race) have been fighting the Mursaat for a long time. Has anyone compaired the Seers to the Margonites to see how close the body forms are? I don't have any good pictures of them to compaire with.






They're not related. Look closely at the Seers, they have four arms not two. I have yet to see any Margonites with four arms.|||Sorry I said "Body Forms"... I was meaning it more about facial features, hands, and such.

And yes I know the Seer has four arms but that doesn't mean that they are not related to the Margonites in some way. Some Margonites have wings while most don't, should we brake the Margonite society into several races instead of the one race that it's supposed to be because of this?

I'm not saying that they are related anyway... just wandering if anyone had really looked at them in that way... as a possiblity.|||Quote:








Sorry I said "Body Forms"... I was meaning it more about facial features, hands, and such.

And yes I know the Seer has four arms but that doesn't mean that they are not related to the Margonites in some way. Some Margonites have wings while most don't, should we brake the Margonite society into several races instead of the one race that it's supposed to be because of this?

I'm not saying that they are related anyway... just wandering if anyone had really looked at them in that way... as a possiblity.




True but the wings are made out of the same essence that composes they're bodies which they all seem to have in common.

It's not the face either. There's two parts to this - One being which they all have 6 eyes ... the other is the fact that if the mask is just that, a mask, then they really don't have a face...

I believe it was stated that the Margonites were humans who worshipped Abaddon to the max. It was them that helped bring the temple of the gods to the Realm of Torment.|||Margonite Seers do in fact have four arms.

Anyway, it's been suggested by myself and others in the past that Glint is trapped in the sand grain, not there by choice, and that the Forgotten are actually her jailers, not her servants. They just say that they serve her to prevent you from getting to her, because they know it will ultimately lead to Abaddon's escape. We see the Forgotten utilizing Mursaat armor afterall, yet we have no clue why.