Well, i just searched the forums for some 70 minutes now (1hr, 10m) and i did not found what i was looking for.
Ok, so here is the deal. We know that Grenth first worshiper was "born" on 48 BE:
Quote:
Came then Desmina, scorned and exiled by her people. And in her misery and wretchedness, did Desmina curse the gods for abandon all who, like her, admired power and ambition.
And asketh she, Where is the god to whom I may give my undying devotion? Where is the God to whom I may beg revenge against those who scorn me?
And rumbled then the earth from far below, and with a terrible groan, split open. Grew then the ground white with frost and ice, and from forth the frozen earth spilled the rotted, skeletal minions of Grenth.
Then did appear the god, and with bony hands outstreched, welcomed the girl into His fold. Saith he, I am your god. Follow where I lead, come whence I call, and the rotted corpses of the dead will be yours to control. And swearing allegiance in life and beyond, did Desmina thence become the god's first follower.
-- Scriptures of Grenth: 48 BE
Thats some 157 years after humanity first landed foot on the world (year 151 DR Elona, year 462 CC Cantha). Why that info presented: can we asume that was around this time Grenth took over? or can we say that Grenth overthrew Dhuum because he wasnt doing its job? Did Dhuum gave Abaddon the bad example of doing what they want and thats why Grenth threw him out of his position? WHere the heck Grenth came from? Does he "ascended" like Kormir? Why gods can be overthrown? anyways, those are too many questions! Lets try to answer this : Do Grenth took power moments before he got his first follower?
Plz discuss and give us some light on this matter.|||Well I dont know if that can be an accurate assumption or not. 3 of the other god's scriptures are also during that same time so I dont know if that means that they were all busy that year or if it just the year the events were written down.
An interesting fact though, Abaddon's first Margonite was 1 year before Exodus. This could mean a couple things. That the god had just come on the spot, rather late, replacing someone else. Or that he had or hadnt previously had followers. It is odd that his first Margonite was the year that the races got magic and a year before the gods split up his very own magic and then left the realm of man.|||Quote:
An interesting fact though, Abaddon's first Margonite was 1 year before Exodus. This could mean a couple things. That the god had just come on the spot, rather late, replacing someone else. Or that he had or hadnt previously had followers. It is odd that his first Margonite was the year that the races got magic and a year before the gods split up his very own magic and then left the realm of man.
Do we know if the Margonites were the first and only followers of Abbadon?|||I've always theoriesed that Abaddon was a Promethius-like fellow - he gave the races magic, and that is part of the reason he was exiled.
As to the OP's topic... I'm not sure it's conclusive evidence of the date of Dhuum's demise, since you don't tend to get people going "Rargh, I want to have the power of the undead" every day (unless you're on a Fallout Boy tour - Zing!). Not to mention, it's possible that Grenth required followers before he had the power to usurp Dhuum. So really, we just don't know.|||Quote:
Not to mention, it's possible that Grenth required followers before he had the power to usurp Dhuum. So really, we just don't know.
Thats exactly why i posted this to get answers or theories. This is to have fun :) and we can get some interestings points of views|||I think the date on the scriptur on the statue just means the date when the statue and scripture were writen. It does not mean that the events it talks about happen on that date.
Also, I dont think Grenth needed followers to be able to overthrow dhum, I mean, we kick Abbadons rear end and we didnt have followers ( your party and Heroes dont count as followers btw). I do believe that the event the scripture describes happens shortly after he gains his Godhood. You cant be a god and not look for followers soon there after.|||If we knew why Dhuum was cast down, then it could possibly help us figure out when he was cast down. I definitly think that we cant decide when Grenth took power by the time on the scriptures unless we had conclusive evidence that after the new pantheon was set-up, the gods were in a power solidiifying mood for that one year. I would be interested to know if anyone has any screenshots of the wintersday last year. There were stories about grenth followers doing evil deeds and I wonder if there were dates or any way of reckoning time with them?
Although, If you think about it, it is interesting.
*SPOILERS*
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
Komir becomes a God by absorbing the powers of Abaddon. Dhuum still seems to be around, if not behind the scenes. So Grenth must have had powers before then and not absorbed them from his predecessor. So it is possible that Grenth already had followers and maybe was a minor deity?|||Well, we don't see any other minor deities around, but it's a possibility.
It's not really possible to assume all that much. It's possible that Grenth was "birthed" out of the anger of Desmina, and given his first power from that, and later went on to usurp Dhuum. Or it's equally possible that Dhuum had recently fallen, and Grenth just wanted to start having followers to cement his position. Personally, I think the latter is more likely, since it sounds like Desmina would have become a follower of Dhuum otherwise.
And concerning the other God's scriptures - none of the others mentions that the person in question is the first follower.|||Quote:
Well, we don't see any other minor deities around, but it's a possibility.
Its a posibility but i think we would have heard of any by this time, especialy after NF.
Quote:
It's not really possible to assume all that much.
I asume u are mentioning that because of the topic title :).
Quote:
It's possible that Grenth was "birthed" out of the anger of Desmina, and given his first power from that, and later went on to usurp Dhuum.
That is (at least for me) a good explanaition of how Grenth came to be, remember that gods (at least from my knowledge) are created by the needs of ppl to explain something or the need to have something bigger than them that watches and protect them thru their lives.
Quote:
Or it's equally possible that Dhuum had recently fallen, and Grenth just wanted to start having followers to cement his position. Personally, I think the latter is more likely, since it sounds like Desmina would have become a follower of Dhuum otherwise.
My question now would be, Why Desmina did not called the name of Dhuum when she made her plea? is it because that Dhuum was not the god of "Power and Ambition"? Then, for what Dhuum standed for besides Death? just death?
Anyways, guys keep the discution going :D|||Quote:
Well, we don't see any other minor deities around, but it's a possibility.
In a lot of the discussion over the texts and issues such as minor gods and rising to power, I think there's one vein of discussion that's left out alot - Tyria is not the only show in town. It's just the only show we know about right now.
Pure speculation, but I wonder if future chapters may explore the actions of the pantheon in the Mists and other worlds. For all we know, Tyria is the center of a Wheel, and the Mists are the spokes that lead to other worlds/planes of influence.
No comments:
Post a Comment