Gods of Tyria

Here are the five Tyrian Gods, and here are their stories:



So what can we infer about them from their stories, and the dates which are noted on them? Furthermore it seems that there are matching gods for most classes but where are the gods for the Elementalists, Assassins and Ritualists? Most importantly the Elementalists, seeing as to how these gods are Tyrian gods not Canthan. (Perhaps Melandru is the Elementalist god? - Though it seems much more like the Ranger god - or perhaps it is some unknown god entirely?)

So, discuss the nature of these gods, why are some missing or "unseen" (perhaps look into that a little bit even?), share any knowledge you have on them, anything about their stories, what exactly is this "exodus" that is spoken of or any neat lil theories you may have!

P.S. I apologize to all of the 56k people out there, but I didn't really feel like typing all of that when it was all but too easy to screenshot.|||Assassins: Grenth and Lyssa

Earth ele: Melandru

Water ele: Grenth

Fire ele: Balthasar

Air Ele: Dwayna

Energy storage -> Lyssa?

Ritualists: Grenth|||Melandru is the godess of rangers. also, with the new bonuses on the rez shrines, none take +1 to elementalist attributes, like how there is on Melandru +1 to all ranger attributes. they all have +1 to each attribute individually, like +1 to fire magic. this means that there seems to be no patron god of elementalists..

and yeah it does seem weird that in Cantha they don't worship other gods, for instance one for ritualists and one for asassins, and mabey even one for elementalists.|||If you go before the rez shrines and kneel at them while your region has favor, the spirit that comes out we give you powers based on your class and which god that class worships. I can't remember off the top of my head right now which is which though.|||It goes like this:

Dwayna: Healing and Protection Monks, Air Elementalists

Grenth: Necromancers, Assassisns, Ritualists, and Water Elementalists

Balthazar: Warriors, Smiting Monks, Fire Elementalists

Lyssa: Mesmers, and often Assassins as well, I think?

Melandru: Ranger and perhaps Earth Elementalists. In Cantha, Melandru is sort of forgotten.

It's off the top of my head for the moment, but this comes out of the information I remembered from the Manuscrips.|||Ritualists worship Grenth most of the time. They also derive powers from their ancestors, which is an older magic than the magic the Gods gave to humans. Thus, the profession originally didn't worship any particular god, they already had their own Spiritual power.

Now, that power is blended with magic... which is why most Rits worship or at least respect Grenth.

Assassins also worship Grenth and Lyssa (Death and Illusion, after all). In cantha, it seems Grenth is the god they pray to most. However, the Canthans aren't as religious as Tyrians, they're much more spiritual if that makes sense. They're also more imperial.

Kurzicks DO worship the gods, though... they are even more religious than Tyrians.|||If your region has favor, and you find a Ressurection Shrine of a God, you'll find that their blessings are as follows:

Dwayna: +1 to Monk attributes or +1 to Air Magic.

Balthazaar: +1 to Warrior attributes or +1 to Fire Magic.

Grenth: +1 to Necromancer attributes, Ritualist attributes, or +1 to Water magic.

Melandru: +1 to Ranger attributes or +1 to Earth Magic.

Lyssa: +1 to Mesmer attributes, Assassin attributes, or +1 to Energy Storage.

Also they have a host of other blessings, depending on their type. For example, Dwayna gives +10 armor, while Menaldru gives +50 Health. Balthazaar gives 10% armor penetration to all attacks, and Lyssa gives +10 Energy.

Usually they will have 2 'buff-type' blessings, in addition to the attribute ones, and the Favor of the Gods (+2% Morale Bonus).|||I dont know exactly where this comes from...some of the Kurzick NPC's talk about it I think. Merlandru is sort of forgotten because of the whole havest temple incident - her charge, the living world, was warped and changed beyond return, and so the Kurzicks not to pray to her very often thinking she through the wardens are angry with them.

As for her being forgotten, this is true...In all my travels of Cantha (okay, I'm only at 63%) I've only seen 3 statues to her - one in Merlandru's Hope, On deep within the city and the one in Zin Ku Corridor (wrong name?)

Mularc|||Actually, the Kurzicks believe Melandru has abandoned them due to the petrification of the forest. She isn't forgotten, just "lost" in a sense due to the Echovald Forest being turned to stone. They feel Melandru was chased away by the Jade Wind and left the Kurzicks to fend for themselves. It may be true if you consider the nature of the Old Gods.|||The Luxons share a bit of a similar viewpoint, although I think I heard some NPC say that she's not gone, merely dormant, sleeping underneath the jade.

Dredge in Tyria

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but there are Dredge in Sorrow's Furnace.

This raises interesting questions. For example, how did the Stone Summit get these Dredge? Do Canthans trade Dredge to Tyria, and the Stone Summit buy them from Lion's Arch? Do the Stone Summit go to Canthan themselves? Is there another port they have access to?|||THe manual sais that the Dredge dug a tunnel from SF to Cantha.

Quote from page 46 GW:F Manuscript

"in the echovald forest of cantha, a few small colonies of escaped dredge jealosly defend their prized freedom. THe offspring of a few desperate escapees form the SHiverpeaks who tunneled for hundreds of miles to reach their strange new home, these dredge have no reason to feel any friendship toward humans or anyone else- they escaped slavert on their own...."|||http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=402805

game zoology

i was going throuth the lore section and i thoiught to my self shouldnt we have something like that but about the diffrent races in tryia, cathia and soon to be elonia?

in my opinion we should sort the races into diffrent groups and go down into smaller detail like this:

alive--> fleshy--> beast--> charr--> monk --> sharman

or

animated --> titan --> element --> fire --> splinter --> ashen hulk

(the splinter bit is refuring to when a titan splits into more titans)

if there is something already out there plz tell me!

if not is anybod intrested in me starting 1?



ty all|||GuildWiki does arrange the monster pages into categories by species (Charr, devourer, etc), but it's certainly not as involved as what you're suggesting.



If you want to do something like that, more power to you |||ill see what my guildies think for the time being! lol

if anyones intrested just sign on here and leave ur IGN

ty|||Speaking of the Lore Forum, should this be there?|||Quote:








Speaking of the Lore Forum, should this be there?




Agreed.

Moving to the Lore Forum|||i didnt know whichforum to put zoology in so i guess lore it is! lol!

me and my guildies are now goin around a starting to make a few catagories from the creatures in the ascalon area (thats ruins of surmia all the way to grenadich) and in pre searing coz thats an easy place to start!

will post here when i got more details

"Tyria" solely refers to the Continent itself?

Was reading the GWP and GWF manuscripts, analyzing, comparing, you-know.

I noticed something, when the word "Tyria" is used, it is referring to the continent and not the "world" or "planet" (or whatever you want to call it).

Some examples:

1) The Forgotten only exists in the Continent of Tyria (if Elona is connected, then in Elona as well).

GWF Manuscript p.45 states that:


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"Tyrian visitors claim that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten of the northern continent."




Simply means that the Forgotten never landed or touched the Continent of Cantha right?


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"The Serpents were summoned by the old gods out of the rift to 'shepherd the other creatures of the land through this time of transition, while the gods continued to create the world around them.'"




(GWP manuscript, forgot to write down the page number).

Which means, the old gods created the landmass of Tyria first than the other landmass, possible?




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786 BE or Late Pre-Imperial Era (275 PIE): Humans appear in the Continent of Cantha for the first time and settle the Northern coastline before spreading completely across the continent.

Their development is unhindered by the Forgotten.




GWF Manuscript Unified Timeline.



Could it be that all this time we were interpreting the references to "Tyria" as referring to the "world" when it is literally referring to the continent itself?

Another example, The gods gave magic to the "inteligent race of Tyria", how about the other continents then?

Could it be that the other continents gained magic because they had travellers when the old gods gave the gift of magic?

Example, by the time the old gods gave the gift of magic, the Empire of the Dragon already have an embassy and an ambassador in the Kingdom of Ascalon for 99 years already. The embassy/ambassador was established on 100BE and the gods gave the gift of magic on 1BE.

Could some of the Shining Blade members originated from Elona, say like their leader? (can't remember her name). And we also know already (Scribe #10) that one of Elona's provinces borders the "Crystal Desert", then could it be that they acquired magic and learned of the old gods because of the Tyrian civilizations?



There are other stuff that is strongly supporting this, but there is one major problem:

GWP Manuscript said: "And the gods leave Tyria."

That one line contradicts everything that GWP and GWF manuscripts provides us (and maybe in-game texts as well) that the events in Tyria is solely to Tyria.

What do you think? I like to hear refutes to this claim ^_^ Will help in the interpretation of some stuff in the timeline.



PS

Some non-lore possibilities:

1) When they wrote the manuscript, they haven't finalized the SL of the other campaigns;

2) They haven't really thought of "the gods leave the Planet whatever" and wrote instead "the gods leave Tyria";

3) They just want to put conflicting SLs so we can't close it (which many modern writers do).

:p|||It could refer to both the continent and the world. In the Guidebook it also says that the gods were in Cantha at the same time they were in Tyria. It also shows that they left the exact time they left from the continent Tyria.

It also shows that the forgotten were also in Cantha as well, it's just that they were never disturbed by the native Canthans.|||I interpreted the "unhindered by the Forgotten" line as the Canthans were able to develop faster than Tyrians because there were no Forgotten on the continent.|||Yah, same here @Heelz.

@Yota, guidebook, you mean the one that is "sold separately" for Factions?

Was it by ANet or a third-party publication/writer ??

Coz if it is 'cannon', then it will be in conflict with ANet's GWF Manuscript (p45):


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"Tyrian visitors claim that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten of the northern continent."




When they could just write "The people thinks that the serpentine Naga resemble the Forgotten."

Hmm, now I am curious what is in that guidebook.|||The historian who compiled the prophecies manuscripts refers to the GW world as Tyria because he is from Tyria. Tyria was more or less the "known world", just like how the Mediterranean was back in the ancient days.|||Either Gaile or the Frog said that when they say "Tyria" it is both the world and the continent of Prophecies.|||Ahh its official.

Hmm, now which is which. Which refers to the continent only and which refers to the "planet" in the GWP manuscript.

Some "Tyria" usage could be either so its hard to tell.

1) Forgotten - Tyria continent only?

2) the gods "took back" magic - Tyria continent only? - this seems to be concentrated too much on Tyria to be the "planet"?? - but then the "magic-war" could be happening in the different continents...



Hmm wait... it could be that the when the old gods gave magic "to Tyria" it was referring to the "continent itself".

And then, when the Bloodstones was spewn by the volcano, it spread across "Tyria" (the planet) and gave magic to the rest of the "planet Tyria". Coz, the "magic-war" was specifically referring to the continent of Tyria, which could be proven because the gods don't have any knowledge of the "magic-war" raging on (???)

Since the scattering of the Bloodstones "across Tyria" (GWP Manuscript), no one found it all yet and was even written that they will never get together again (if I remember it correctly, its not in my notes).

Hmm... ehe, thanks in advance (I'll go play in the Elite Missions for now).|||Quote:








I interpreted the "unhindered by the Forgotten" line as the Canthans were able to develop faster than Tyrians because there were no Forgotten on the continent.




From the guidbook (the one not sold with the game) we know that the Forgotten were in all Tyria, the planet. The word "unhidered" means basicly, undisturbed. The Guidbooks says the Cathan Humans 1st appeared on the tip of Shing Jea Island and built their exmpire from there. The Serpents started to withdraw so they never came in contact with the human residants of Cantha.|||Also, the Manuscripts talk about the Old Gods giving magick to the races of Tyria. In the Factions Lore Guide in the Prima Guide, it talks about Ritualists being in touch with the spirits before this, and adopting Grenth and their other various gods after magick was granted. In this paragraph, it specifically states "after magic was given to the races of Tyria", meaning the planet.|||Hmm, I should buy that Prima Guide then if it is considered "cannon".

Timeline of Prophicies and Factions

I have recently started taking my characters from cantha through prophicies and noticed when I start a mission it informs me that I am playing out the events prior to the Ascalionians arrival at Lions Arch.

This would mean that Prophicies and Factions are in the same time frame when you get to Lions ar in Prophicies and get to Kaineng City in Factions you have caught up to each other.

Jus an observation if noone had noticed.|||omg i just saw that. more reasons to flame on the factions team. could they at least make it so we had a real time frame goin here. consistancy ppl consistancy.|||Yeah, I saw that when I was compairing the timelines in the two books that came with the games. I was a bit dissapointed when I saw that the events of prophecies and the events of factions were happening at the same time. Probably means that the events of Nightfall will be the same.

It makes sense in a way since Factions characters can go and do Prophecies missions and take place in that story but seriously...I like it better in my head that they happen a year or so apart from each other. Gives time for the journey, time for everything to take place, etc.

But yeah...I know why they did it that way, but it's stilly silly to me. Especially if it remains the same with all the factions chapters...seems all of my characters are superheros to be able to travel the world in just a few days and save the day/world from various threats that all decided to suddenly happen at the same time. :D So THAT'S why we all have capes!|||Quote:








Yeah, I saw that when I was compairing the timelines in the two books that came with the games. I was a bit dissapointed when I saw that the events of prophecies and the events of factions were happening at the same time. Probably means that the events of Nightfall will be the same.

It makes sense in a way since Factions characters can go and do Prophecies missions and take place in that story but seriously...I like it better in my head that they happen a year or so apart from each other. Gives time for the journey, time for everything to take place, etc.

But yeah...I know why they did it that way, but it's stilly silly to me. Especially if it remains the same with all the factions chapters...seems all of my characters are superheros to be able to travel the world in just a few days and save the day/world from various threats that all decided to suddenly happen at the same time. :D So THAT'S why we all have capes!






If they were a year apart, it would mean your character would travel back in time when going back to Tyria.

Fine the way it is, it works. :)|||Quote:








If they were a year apart, it would mean your character would travel back in time when going back to Tyria.

Fine the way it is, it works. :)




eh, true. But for some reason factions characters going "back in time" doesn't bug me as much as everything happening at once. lol|||Quote:








If they were a year apart, it would mean your character would travel back in time when going back to Tyria.




mhmh sooooo my cantha character goes back in time to tyria makes babies with my female tyria character and then the child grows up and starts in tyria comes to lions arch and goes back to cantha ... now how old is me and my child!



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the answer of course is, we re all lvl 20. em ::flees:: lol|||Does this mean that Canthan Born characters and Tyrian Born characters vanquish their respective evils at the same time? I.E Lich dies the same time that Shiro dies?|||http://forums.gwonline.net/showthread.php?t=414922

There is in fact a timeline being worked on, and all these issues have been brought up in some form in the development of the timeline. Please continue discussion there.

Guild Wars Timeline

Status: Draft #1

Description: This is the first draft "site" of GW Timeline I am compiling and creating. This draft does not cover the time period of the "game" itself (ie from the time your character breath to the last mission you finished).

Draft #1 covers mostly what is written in the GWP and GWF manuscripts. Also, explanations are not yet posted, one reason is that, some interpretation and data should be discussed first (posted one of the topic here in the Lore section already; will post the others later as I gather some more data and questions).

Suggestions, violent reactions, or maybe you already want to discuss stuff, then fire it on!!

Here's the link: http://gameshogun.ws/gw_timeline.php

Again, it is not final. (I want to play first in the Elite Mission Event.)|||Guild wiki already has one - Type History of Tyria in the search and you're golden. - its just missing the Elonian sections (which are empty anyways)|||The purpose of what Laibeus is doing is to compile an independant timeline based on what happens in-game. Thus, other timelines already complied would only serve as a means of comparison.

Tyria to Elona collection of Lore

I was in the desert earlier today and decided to pay a visit to our friendly Eloniand there to collect a bit of information here is what I got.

Turai Ossa :

Champion of Elona, Protector and Leader of his people (this would make him a Paragon I believe), his main claim to fame is the defeat at the battle of Jahai of one Palawa Joko scourge of the Vabbi.

Other information we can get from him is that two people followed in the desert after the Elonian came and that they believed they were the ones mentioned in the "Flameseeker Prophecies" (which tends to indicate those are very old as the Elonians of old already knew about them and about the fact they were made by Glint)

Lord Valador :

No indication besides the fact he was beside Turai Ossa at the battle of Jahai, his claim to fame is to have carried him from the field of battle when he died at the hands of the forgotten.

General Mendosa :

General of the Elonian army, he served at the battle of Jahai.

Commander Joziah :

He calls himself the vanquisher of Dragons (which would indicate there are dragons in Elonia) and lover of women.

I'll try to collect more lore while I am in the desert to complete the collection of facts we have in a mini reference.|||

Here's some more i got on my exploration of the desert, these bleached bones seem to be of an Elonian (story of how the grandfather spoke of Turai Ossa with reverence) and would indicate their presence in the desert after the expedition by Turai Ossa failed, it also would give us an idea of what their clothing looked like at the time.|||He's got three arrows in him. That;s gotta hurt.

I don't recall any monsters nearby that use arrows, so he may have been killed by is own people.

It's the strange brown boxes (chestnuts) that interest me, why are they carrying them and what are they?

I'm hoping Palawa Joko will be given more background information in Nightfall letting us know why he was the scrouge of Vabbi. I'm sure the Elonians must have knew of him for his death to have such vibrant stories.

-Art|||Aren't the chestnuts those things that light up near the teleporters? I'm not sure where that corpse is,but for all we know Devourers could have killed him. They shoot arrows out of their tails like bone fiends.|||Vabbi is one of the 3 Elonian nations if I'm correct.|||@Art Yi Mor : What is this brown box you are talking about? If you want to know what the corpse is holding it is a book.

Concerning the location of that corpse it is northeast of the area just outside Dunes of Despair.|||The brown boxes in question are the activators on the pedastals that engage the teleporters throughout the Desert.