was this place like serenity temple and nolani? if it was a temple primarly used by the ascolonians before the charr overran the area when there would of been at least some evidence of the gods shrines at least there intact and inactive or semi destroyed. which makes me think if the charr are using magic that was handed out by the gods then why don't they see the gods we know as true gods and stop worshipping false idols. My thinking those fire idols that look like mursaat are thier symbol for them to be wary of mursaat after a whole legion of charr were decimated by only 3 mursaat and they dispise them|||That was rather..Random. From what I can tell, the Gods only gave magic to the humans, despite what the Manuscripts say. I say this because in the Ecology of the Charr that's the entire reason the Charr hate the Gods and the humans.
The Flame Temple Corridor, now that you bring it up, may have just been an entry way into a much larger temple or monastery complex. Though it's difficult to say with the ruins in Dragon's Gullet. About the effigies that resemble Mursaat..I think it's a mixture of remember what these creatures did to us and burn them alive if you find one.|||but then the ruins in the flame temple corridor could be part of that monastery|||From what I've been able to map out of the ruins in the Flame Temple Corridor, it looks more like your generic castle or keep with round turrets which end right at the portal into Dragon's Gullet. I see it more likely that the ruins we see made up a keep protecting whatever was in Dragon's Gullet.|||About who the Gods gave magic to, they gave it to all sentient races a little before their exodus. But it seems originally they used magic to protect the humans, not necessarily gave the humans magic.
For the ruins, how I see it, is that the Flame Temple Corridor's ruins were a citadel-like structure. That is, a building made to protect another building/town.
What the ruins in the corridor most likely protected would be what is in Dragon's Gullet's entrance, which seems to be, due to how spread out it is, either a cluster of big buildings, or a small town. I only suggest a small town because of how spread out the ruins are on the western side of the area. I will have to go back there to look at it of course to double check this.
It is probably more likely that the ruins in Dragon's Gullet were an estate or something of the like. I get this by replacing the tar in the area with water, which might make a good view and possibly good land for an estate. Also, estates are usually spread out over a similar size of land.
It could also be that the ruins in the Corridor were a temple, or something of the like, instead of a defense building. I only suggest this because when the biggest threat in the area is to the north, why have the building of defense to the south.
Again, I'll have to go back to look at the area again, but that's just my current thoughts based off of memory.|||It might also be that the defenses of the Flame Temple were there to protect it from everyone, human and charr.
I'm going on the basic assumption that it was a human construct, not charr nor Forgotten, because it matches the general architecture of most Ascalonian buildings. This being the case, if it were still the Flame Temple back when it was under the control of humans, and hasn't started to be called that only since the charr seized it, then that probably means it was a temple to Balthazar.
We already have two examples in human society of Balthazar worshipers cloistering themselves away in fairly remote areas for the betterment of their art.
First, in Cantha, there're the Zaishen, all the way out on the Battle Isles (although I recognize that their migration to the Isles may have, at first, been unwilling and forced by the empire).
Second, and this one may be up to some debate, there was the order of monks at the monastery on Sanctum Cay, supposedly the first to create smiting prayers. Since many smiting monks have divided loyalties between Dwayna and Balthazar, I suspect that this monastery may have been split between worship of both gods as well. If they were Balthazar devotees, then they may have willingly isolated themselves on the cay in order to better train and defend themselves.
The same may have taken place at the Flame Temple. It was a fortress-monastery located and designed to defensible against all hostile threats, real or imagined, north or south.|||Quote:
It might also be that the defenses of the Flame Temple were there to protect it from everyone, human and charr.
I'm going on the basic assumption that it was a human construct, not charr nor Forgotten, because it matches the general architecture of most Ascalonian buildings. This being the case, if it were still the Flame Temple back when it was under the control of humans, and hasn't started to be called that only since the charr seized it, then that probably means it was a temple to Balthazar.
The same may have taken place at the Flame Temple. It was a fortress-monastery located and designed to defensible against all hostile threats, real or imagined, north or south.
This seems perfectly plausible to me. Especially since we see the murals of Dwayna as well as of Balthazar. This might very well just have been another Smiting Monk Monastery.
One thing does struck me. Sanctum Cay isn't that defended at all, why did they have the need to build half a castle around the Monastery in Ascalon, but not in Kryta?|||Quote:
One thing does struck me. Sanctum Cay isn't that defended at all, why did they have the need to build half a castle around the Monastery in Ascalon, but not in Kryta?
We don't know when the Sanctum Cay monastery was active. It's possible that while the monks were living there, Kryta was still extremely lightly populated and the cay was so remote that just being lost on the island was protection enough for them.
We know that the charr were around even before humanity "appeared" in Tyria and that there was an almost immediate hatred between the two races, so it seems likely that some of the defenses were against the charr.
We also don't know if Ascalon ever suffered periods of civil war in its eleven hundred years of history. The Flame Temple may have been built as a refuge for monks trying to escape a time of human civil war in the south.|||Quote:
One thing does struck me. Sanctum Cay isn't that defended at all, why did they have the need to build half a castle around the Monastery in Ascalon, but not in Kryta?
Technically there are gates on both entrances to the monastery at Sanctum Cay. Aside from that, they really didn't have as much of a threat as the Ascalonians do. With the Ascalonians, you have a massive population of Charr to the north so any towns or buildings to the north of the wall would have to be adequately defended.
Another thought struck me though, there are two teleporter dials in the Flame Temple Corridor. One is on a hill outside of the keep, the other is inside the keep on one of the turrets near Dragon's Gullet. This place may have been a safe ground in the event of a Charr attack or raid. In Diessa Lowlands it's clear there was a town not too far away from it and from Grendich Courthouse, assuming the tar was water before the Searing, it would've been a quick boat ride to the Flame Temple Corridor from either of those locations. Then a quick run up to the teleporter outside of the keep, chant/cast the spell, and you're in safety.|||come to think of it that ruin with the dwayna painting (i forget the other word) in the middle of the tar pit must of been a part off a massive temple
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