The Fate of the Stone Summit and the Dredge

The Stone Summit and the Dredge were both expanded on, but i'm not sure exactly where they stand after Eye of the North... please, is this the full story?

1) Sorrow's Furnace is under Deldrimor control, and the Dredge live peacefully in Darkhaven, trading regularly with Asura.

2) Dagnar Stonepate leads the Stone Summit, a new xenophobic order of Dwarves. Greplak Froststaff aids with the creation of Ice Golems. The new guild sets up camps at Moladune, Camp Rankor, Iron Horse Mines, and Maladar's Fort.

3) The Summit seize Sorrow's Furnace. Krak Flamewhip is put in charge. Blasting their way into Darkhaven, they take most Dredge as slaves, and begin enslaving Snow Ettins as well.

4) Molachev begins the Dredge rebel movement, forever battling Krak Flamewhip.

5) The Summit overrun the Frost Gate, controlling all movement through Borlis Pass.

6) From Maladar's Fort, the Summit seige Krok's Hollow and Grooble's Gulch. Ore Darkwhip plans to build the "Hoarfrost of the Shiverpeaks", a magnificently powerful seige weapon, but is killed.

7) We [The Heroes of Ascalon] break through the Frost Gate and take Maladar's Fort for Deldrimor.

8) [Much Later] With the Henge of Denravi taken, the Shining Blade flee into the Southern Shiverpeaks. The Mursaat give chase, driving the Summit out of Moladune and occupying it themselves.

9) In desperation, Dagnar Stonepate manages to take Thunderhead Keep using the newly enslaved Frost Giants.

10) We take back Thunderhead keep, killing Dagnar Stonepate.

11) The Summit are apparently falling apart, as Deldrimor begins exiling the remaining members to the Far Shiverpeaks.

12) Krak Flamewhip finally kills Molachev.

13) Hierophant Morlog attempts to summon the Great Destroyer, and fails.

14) We destroy the Iron Forgeman, the heart of Sorrow's Furnace.

15) A number of Dredge escape Sorrow's Furnace through a miraculously built tunnel through the earth to Cantha. They establish a massive underground city, and flourish, but get on the wrong side of the Kurzicks.

16) The newly-Canthan Dredge clear the Wardens from the Temple of the Dredge, giving them an above-ground home as well.

17) The newly-malign Forest Spirit Urgoz corrupts a number of Dredge to bolster his forces.

18) Urgoz is destroyed, at least temporarily.

19) Back in Sorrow's Furnace, with the destruction of the Iron Forgeman, Krak Flamewhip flees north, taking with him the remaining Dredge slaves.

20) Taskmaster Bellok takes the former Sorrow's Furnace Dredge slaves and attempts to harness the power of Zoldark the Unholy at the Vloxen Excavations. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the Far Shiverpeaks, Krak Flamewhip is finally killed.

21) We sweep into the Vloxen Excavations, killing Taskmaster Bellok. The remaining Dredge are freed.

22) Hierophant Duncan the Black, in a desperate last-ditch attempt to harness the power of the Great Destroyer, amasses a significant force of enslaved creatures, including Modniir, the dryder Selvetarm, and Justiciar Thommis.

23) Duncan the Black is killed.



Now, here are my questions...

1) It seems to me as if the Dredge are (at least very nearly) free of enslavement. Is this the case?

2) In the Northern Shiverpeaks, we see the Stone Summit fighting alongside dryders, clearly affiliated (parts of the same groups). Due to the fact that a "Drider", in mythology, is a cursed Dwarf, i assumed they were freely working together. However in Slaver's Exile, we see Duncan has enslaved the Dryder Selvetarm. Were the frostfire Dryders slaves as well?

3) Just how powerful do the Stone Summit remain by the end of Eye of the North?|||I always thought of the Stone Summit as insignificant at the point in which we see them in Northern parts, do to hiding it empty caves for shelter.|||Well, the elite dungeon is based around the fact that the Stone Summit are attempting a last-ditch effort to save their group by resurrecting and utilizing the power of the now-defeated Great Destroyer. So...I wouldn't call them insignificant, as they are still just as crazy and determined to win until they are utterly crushed.|||Quote:

1. It seems to me as if the Dredge are (at least very nearly) free of enslavement. Is this the case?


2. In the Northern Shiverpeaks, we see the Stone Summit fighting alongside dryders, clearly affiliated (parts of the same groups). Due to the fact that a "Drider", in mythology, is a cursed Dwarf, i assumed they were freely working together. However in Slaver's Exile, we see Duncan has enslaved the Dryder Selvetarm. Were the frostfire Dryders slaves as well?


3. Just how powerful do the Stone Summit remain by the end of Eye of the North?

1. After being freed from Sorrow's Furnace and the Vloxen Excavations, I'd say whatever remains of the Dredge are pretty much free. The Dredge in the Echovald Forest are free, although at war, and there seem to be freed Dredge in Raven's Point.


2. It's possible that the Summit and the Dryders in the Northern Shiverpeaks are aligned that way by game mechanics purely to make it more difficult, especially since Summit Beastmaster corpses litter those particular caves. Although if they are aligned with each other, I imagine it'd be a master-slave relationship. The Stone Summit have never shown any patience or mercy for any creature other than Dwarf.


3. Since they started their rise to power 6-8 years ago, they've lost four leaders (Dagnar, Krak, Fronis, Duncan), three mining facilities (Sorrow's Furnace, Darkrime Delves, Vloxen Excavation), countless bases, camps, and strongholds, an extremely powerful weapon, their god, and every member of the Dwarven race (save a few Deldrimor-aligned ones), which eliminates the possibility of further recruitment. By the end of Eye of the North, the Stone Summit power is more or less totally diminished, and I wouldn't be suprised if they were totally gone by Guild Wars 2.

|||I'd say at the end of GWEN the Summit in comparison to their original power is basically the same as the modern day Klu Klux Klan or Neo-****s were to their national counterparts.|||Btw, if the Lightbringer thing working in slavers' is not a bug, they're probably Powered By Abbadon (TM). I guess that could explain why they got so powerful, enslaving everything in their path or killing them, stopping only at the arrival of the Legendary Heroes (TM).|||Quote:








Btw, if the Lightbringer thing working in slavers' is not a bug, they're probably Powered By Abbadon (TM). I guess that could explain why they got so powerful, enslaving everything in their path or killing them, stopping only at the arrival of the Legendary Heroes (TM).




Well, you do have a point there. If Abaddon was able to reach out to many notable and influential individuals like Vizier Khilbron, Shiro and Varesh, to twist and corrupt their minds to further his own dark goals, who's to say that Dagnar Stonepate might not have been a similarly corrupted individual?|||I could see the stone summit showing up in GW2 but probably not in a warlike capacity. They've suffered too many heavy losses and by that time would probably be looking for a quiet place to rebuild. Add to that the state of things in GW2. Considering that Jalis kind of went bonkers and ran off with the stone dwarves, the remnants of the summit are probably the last large group of actual dwarves.|||I can see a number of Dwarves being tempted by the Stone Summit, in a "Is THAT what you think the Great Dwarf REALLY intended for us to do?" fashion regarding the fate of much of the Deldrimor Dwarves. So yes, I could also see that in GW 2, the last 'true' Dwarves left are essentially greedy, xenophobic, cruel, domineering and thoroughly racist.

They could remain a minor power and nuisance for a long time to come, especially if they manage to enslave some Asura to do some 'work' for them.|||In response to the questions asked at the beginning of the thread;

1. The Dredge are completely free, however the Canthan Dredge in the Echovald are still fighting with the human populous. The Tyrian Dredge are no longer being oppressed by the Stone Summit at the end of EotN however, when Drakkar pulls his backside out of the ice he chases the Norn south forcing the Norn to find a new home amongst the remains of the dwarven settlements. The Dredge see this land as their own as a kind of inheritence from their dwarf oppressors so they put up a fight and the Norn are now involved in a struggle for land against them.

2. The Dryders are not effectively allied with the Stone Summit as they obviously are more than willing to assault them as shown in the caves in the Frost Gate mission. However I'd imagine like any creature with enough persuasion such creatures can be either talked into or beaten until they do what is desired of them.

3. At the end of EotN there are some small Stone Summit encampments littered about the place but nothing major, as said they've lost a lot in the way of man power, resources and now they've lost pretty much everyone they could have recruited from so they're not worth thinking about really. Any that try to set themselves up as a small village in the Far Shivers will probably be killed by Drakkar when he wakes up and any in the Southern Shivers are likely to be hunted down by their ex-slaves, the Dredge. In GW2 there probably won't be any dwarves apart from maybe the odd one or two Deldrimor Dwarves that resurfaced after they'd finished killing Destroyers, and they'll simply be stone skinned recluses that hide in the mountains watching the world go by as they slowly just become more like the stones and rocks surrounding them.