This got me to thinking, Balthazar has a half brother, and thats only possible if he had a Father and a Mother at some time.
So....again super far fetched here....what if the Gods descended from the Dragons? And thru some otherworldy divine magic changed their appearance to as we see them? Then again the different continents have different looks for the Gods, so maybe changing their appearance was one of their ability's.
Again, I know this is kind of far out there, but its about the only thing that is said to really rival the gods in power, and it would make sense that Balthazar's father & mother are stronger than him.|||I think primordius corrupted Abaddon to go evil either that or Dhuum had something to do with it
wot if the gods ARE the dragons the god forms are just thier disguise like a cloak|||Well it is a possibility of course but its never mentioned that the gods where brothers and sisters to each other [except for Menzies and Balthazar]. That of course is no reason not to believe this but this does mean they are not one big [happy] family [or of course maybe they are but the Manuscripts simply don't tell us].|||Didn't they call Abaddon the fallen brother of the gods? I swear I saw that somewhere.|||I don't like the idea for a few reasons. First off, a lot of the deity/dragon theorization going on right now is based on a faulty reduction. The article states that the power of the dragons RIVALS that of the gods, which has been extrapolated to imply that the power of the dragons must be IDENTICAL to that of the gods, or at least interchangeable therewith. This is not true at all. Linguistically, the word "rivals" is used to describe something that has roughly the same capacity but is different in nature. For example, if I said that the destructive capacity of an incendiary grenade rivaled that of a flamethrower, I would not be suggesting that an incendiary grenade was, in fact, a flamethrower, or that they worked the same way. I'd be saying that if you set one of each off in similar rooms, the results would be comparable.
More importantly, the word "rivals" implies that the gods and the dragons MUST be unrelated. The term is typically used in situations where the two comparable objects have not been or cannot be measured against one another. A mob boss's influence might rival that of a highly-placed politician, but would you use that specific word to compare the two if the politician had tried to rally his friends to get the mobster locked up and failed miserably?
That's the semantic argument against the presumption that the gods and the dragons are in any way directly related. I think it has some merit. Similarly, the idea that the power of the gods could be subsequent and stolen has problems in that it requires that only the gods or the dragons be active at once (because there's one pool of power that the gods have theoretically stolen). The idea that the power is derivative of the dragons fails because that would imply that the dragons power must be exponentially greater than that of the gods, and not a "rival" force, barring some sort of arcane 50/50 split.
The assumption that they are, in fact, the same creatures suffers from other problems (motivation, for one, as the dragons seem to be uniformly bad dudes and the gods at least care enough about humanity to let people know they exist and call upon them for help; consistency, for another, because it doesn't stand to reason that the gods would live in Arah in their physical forms and walk among everybody within the record of contemporary history and also be giant dragons sleeping in uncomfortable places like the ocean and a big frozen lake and a giant pool of magma).
The suggestion that a dragon's influence is the reason why Abaddon went bad suffers from the fact that most of the literature we have available depicts him as being a jerk quite by himself, and there's really no reason to believe otherwise. The assumption being made is that one really bad dude implies that prior bad dudes must be related to him, excluding the possibility that maybe they were both legitimate jerkbags on their own merits.
I think that the only real conclusion we can reach at this point is that the dragons are distinct and of comparable power to the gods we know. Knowing as we do that there is a process by which un-deities can become deirific, that might imply that there could be a common source of power between the two parties (unlikely, though, as the process we know appears to be entirely cannibalistic and zero-sum), but I don't see much else there to work with.|||Quote:
I think primordius corrupted Abaddon to go evil either that or Dhuum had something to do with it
wot if the gods ARE the dragons the god forms are just thier disguise like a cloak
Interesting thought. Remember the gods in this quest chain are all represented by dragons.|||Theory:
The Gods are Dragon-formed, hence their Facets. And Glint being the first being they created.
What if the Humans just made the Gods into their own image (Humanoid), because Humans are (in their minds) the superior being, so the Gods must be like them as well (they think). The Gandara mural of Abaddon showed him with a full fleshed human body. Yet when we face him (game mechanic or not) he actually really is just a floating insect-mouthed head with hands. Unless "the darkness" is his body. The God's Avatars would've been made into a human-friendly existance, as when any avarge Joe suddenly sees a Dragon popping from below a Resurrection Shrine, they'd scream for help, run for their lives or foolishly attack it. Melandru can be an exception, due her communing mostly with the Druids.
But there's a counter against the "Facets=God's form" arguement: Kormir (How many things she messes up is beyond me).
Her Facet was also a dragon, and we clearly see her as a Human during Nightfall. Her "God-form", too (even though it's her Avatar as well)
Then again, it can just be Glint playing around with us, throwing Facets of herself into the Jungle (Claiming they're the Gods).|||My Theory:
"Gods" are just primeval powers. They're only personified by human, as no human ever saw god in their real form (it's only in writings, but writing can be fictional). These primeval power cannot be destroyed, but they can be contained. When the player killed Abaddon, his power is unleashed and Kormir is there to contain it.
The "gods" that we know today may just be contained by dragons.|||Quote:
My Theory:
"Gods" are just primeval powers. They're only personified by human, as no human ever saw god in their real form (it's only in writings, but writing can be fictional). These primeval power cannot be destroyed, but they can be contained. When the player killed Abaddon, his power is unleashed and Kormir is there to contain it.
The "gods" that we know today may just be contained by dragons.
That's most definitely improbable. In the Realm of Torment we pray to the Five Gods and they do respond, be it with their avatars or not, they do. Not to mention this:
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When the gods walked Tyria a thousand years ago, the Ritualist Kaolai, an old man even then, challenged Balthazar to a game of Nui in exchange for sparing a village that had offended the god through some long-forgotten breach of etiquette. Balthazar laughingly accepted and the game began. Seven days later it ended with Kaolai the winner; the villagers were spared. But in a fit of anger, Balthazar slew Kaolai. Afterward, in a rare gesture of sportsmanship, the god ordered Kaolai inducted into Tahnnakai Temple.
Either way, at the moment I think TheMagicMoeDee has the right viewpoint on this. We just don't have enough to work with other than shaky links and rather vague information.|||My hang up with all of this isn't the power part, but the history part. Though we still don't have a definite time line on the dragons, we do know that it was AT LEAST 10,000 years ago. From the GW2 article:The cycle of their awakening reaches back to the time of the giganticus lupicus, and even further, back into prehistory (funny use of a word there. Prehistory of what? The Gods?). And, this just speaks to their awakening, not necessarily, creation. But, anyway, to the point. The last known sighting of GL was 10,000 BE.
Then we turn to the history concerning the Gods.We know they existed before, but the only concrete date is when they called the Forgotten from the mists in 1769 BE. Most of the lore I have read to date concerns the Gods interaction with creatures created after that time (Though the Forgotten it would seem were called to watch over something?). Humans didn't come along till 786 BE in Cantha.
Without babbling on, and getting separate thoughts scattered all through this. There just seems to be a whole lot of lore/history about the Gods missing. Were the Gods in Tyria during the time of the dragons last awakening? If so, what were their interactions? What were the Gods doing in the 8,231 years between GL/dragons and calling the Forgotten? Soooooo many questions, so few answers?????
"Never trust the past. There has been too much forgotten, too many things hidden beneath the sand of ages. Even your own memory can lie to you..."
�Decimus the Historian
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