With that, I hope this thread will act as a base for anyone wishing to learn or discuss the new information. Also it is here to prevent many individual threads from popping up and crowding this section.
|||Well, I had a small go at the White Mantle one. Some stuff:- Dorian, Thommis, Hablion where all in a team with Saul, so buddies prehaps.
- Mercia the Smug, Lazarus the Dire and Optimus Caliph appeared to help you. I'd assumed that Optimus Caliph was the leader of the three, impling he may be the head of the Mursaat in general.
- Spectral Agony gets put on your bar, meaning Mursaat can bless people with the power prehaps.
That's all I got to.|||The mursaat kill everyone but Habilon, Thommis, Dorian, and Saul at the end.
Then Saul realizes he has doomed kryta and weeps. And the mursaat teleport away with him in custody.|||I played through the Ossa and Gwen stories last night (still haven't gotten to the extra bits in either one from replaying, but that's what the weekend is for, right).
It would have been nice to see a little more of the main battle of Jahai en-route to the fight with Joko, but overall I thought it worked out well, about how I pictured things from the descriptions given in Nightfall.
For Gwen's story, it was fun to see the escape play out. Lore-wise, checking the map location for where the event was taking place, I have to assume that the ruins she escapes into are, in fact, what will go on to become Fort Ebonhawk.
The PCG guide mentions the last holdout location of the nation of Ascalon during the time of GW2 is Ebonhawk, and describes it as resting in a similar loaction, at the corner of the two mountain ranges.
It would seem like those ruins, with some fortification and rebuilding, would make for a strong, easily defensable position. I just kept looking for a disused Asura gate in the ruins the other night. No luck, but maybe something will come up when I'm playing through the bonus objectives.|||I managed to beat them all in a decent speed. So then let's see what I remember...
We see the final battle against the charr in Kryta with Saul D'Alessio, now proven to be a monk/mesmer thanks to his skills. One interesting note is that several of the charr have names different from what we've seen (Such as Ash Thief). After killing the three charr leaders at the end, Saul prays to the Mursaat, who come to assist him. Another note is that speaking to them has them comment to you like most NPCs. Optimus Caliph, for example, calls Saul his blessed child, while one of the others, commands Saul to dare not ask of plans too complex for him to understand. After the battle, several White Mantle Knights come in to cheer for Saul and see the Unseen ones... only to be killed. None survive except Confessor Dorian, Justicar Hablion, and one other (I forget the name) and the Mursaat take Saul with them to hide the truth.
In the mission for the Tengu Wars, Togo proceeds to the mountain retreat of the Minister of War, Minister Wona, in order to negotiate peace between the humans and the two tribes of Tengu. Unfortunately, Wona will not have peace, and sends in assassins to kill the delegates and Togo. After fending them off, Togo, along with Talon Silverwing, fight their way through the home and past Wona's three most powerful men before finally confronting and killing the Minister of War himself. After this, the Angchu tengu see the wiseness of Togo's words and agree to peace, but the Sensali refuse and "return to their raiding ways".
For the Battle of Jahai, Turai Ossa, a true giant among men, makes his way along a bluff above the canyon the two armies fought in to reach Palawa Joko, fighting and defeating him at the end. Since Joko could not be killed, Turai sealed him in a tomb until darkness consumed the world.
In Gwen's trek north, Gwen is taken into an arena before the charr to fight a Destroyer Catapult to the death for the Charr's amusement. Luckily, by knocking over a nearby pillar, she kills the destroyer and manages to get away into a series of underground ruins. Inside, she comes upon three spirits, locked in an eternal battle against ghostly charr, reliving their failure forever. After getting out of the ruins, Gwen sneaks across a plain filled with charr to the base of a nearby mountain, where she comes upon Captain Langmar and the Ebon Vanguard. From then on, she joins the vanguard, and the rest, as they say, is history.|||I played all 4..
Togo: The minister of war has an estate up in the mountains in southern Cantha. Like other ministers, he is corrupt and wishes the Tengu war to continue on so he gets more funding towards his lavish lifestyle. Supposedly he was to kill Togo and then blame it on the Tengu, but in the end Togo killed him instead, while earning the respect of the Angchu Tengu clan, especially Talon Silverwing. The Senseli group on the other hand is not convinced.
Saul: As has been said, Hablion, Thommis, Dorien are all part of Saul's original followers. The Charr besieging Kryta was too great for the Krytan army to fight head on, so Saul planned to assassinate their leader. After the Charr leader was killed, the whole army was after his crew. Saul prayed to the Mursaat and they answered. Saul, together with his followers and the Mursaat defeated 4 Charr warbands. However, Saul's wishes ultimately didn't come to pass (there's no such thing as free lunch) as he realized he had trade in one set of shackles for another. One thing that, ironically, will not be the case for the Charr, some years down the road (Refer to the Charr rebellion).
Turai: Turai's story is probably the most boring, mostly because the Elonians have kept detailed records of the event. Turai challenged Joko to a duel, defeated it in the eyes of all of its army, and won the battle.
Gwen: She was captured and enslaved, broke free, captured again, and free again. It did explain how she came to be a mesmer. As she was escaping, she found research journals of a supposedly deceased mesmer (Velise?) and learned illusion magic from it. She didn't receive proper education, but that just showed she had talent for the art. And she has very strong arms, can throw stones that break pillars and whatnot, even when fatigued.
Haven't got to the discoveries part yet, might get to it over the weekend.
PS: and what's with the whining in every single corner of the forum? If Quintus was still here those will be deleted, and the poster banned, most likely >:(|||Quote:
Turai: Turai's story is probably the most boring, mostly because the Elonians have kept detailed records of the event. Turai challenged Joko to a duel, defeated it in the eyes of all of its army, and won the battle.
I did find it interesting that Joko was actually relying on corsair mercenaries to bolster his forces. I don't remember the Elonian histories in Nightfall mentioning anything like that.
It is also implied in the story of the battle, that more of the blame for Joko's loss had to rest on bad tactics and overextending his forces past supply lines than on Ossa's brilliance as a leader.
From what we learn in Nightfall I had imagined Turai Ossa as a military strategist and tactician who also had no small skill with the blade. After the BMP I see him more as a very charismatic leader of men and more a man of action than deep thought. He was smart enough to leave the planning and execution of the main battle to his (presumably more tacticly minded) generals and field commanders while he, himself, spearheaded what could be viewed as a suicide mission deep behind enemy lines.|||I was extremely pleased when Optimus Caliph made an appearance in Saul's mission. He was also alongside Mercia the Smug, one of the Mursaat bosses who also appears at the Fire Chain islands, and Lazarus the Dire, a Mursaat who survives the Titan assault and turns up in a small quest chain in Eye of the North. I guess Quintus was right when he had assumed that Optimus Caliph was the leader of the Mursaat we meet ingame.
I think it's a pity that the Mursaat are genuinely evil though; they seemed fine to me as a more self serving neutral faction that we destroy only to realise they were keeping shut a great evil.
Togo's story was somewhat boring. We don't know why the minister was a bad guy. He just attacks us and we kill him. At least they included several notable Tengu, like Talon Silverwing, Swift Honorclaw and the Sensali leader Gull Hookbeak.
Then Turai Ossa's story. It was fun, but kind of pointless. Just a lot of fighting and stuff we already knew. It wasn't bad or anything, I just hoped for a bit more I guess. Still very good.
Gwen's story was interesting. We finally find out what happens to Duke Gaban from Pre-Searing! He got smashed into the floor by a catapult. Dahgar the Eye of Flame also gets a part in the introduction.
I admit I'd have rather seen the ghosts of previously known characters in the tombs rather than entirely new ones. Haversdan and stuff perhaps.
I took a good look around in the catacombs. There is a mural of.... a dragon!
Who built those tombs? Who made the mural of the dragon that is likely Primordus?|||One thing that strikes me, is that Mercia did come as a tad smug, with his "Our plans are so great that you can't understand them" Stuff (Meaning that they get titles from their personalities) Stuff, And it makes me think, what is it that makes Willa so unplesant, does he not shower or something.|||Hello folks,
Just a comment. I'm completely sympathetic to those of you who were unable to purchase the BMP due to parents or lack of payment methods. I do agree that it is unfair. However, that is a topic for the CDF forum where there are many threads for discussion. Kindly add to those threads. This forum is meant for lore.
I will (and will continue to) delete posts that entirely address the lack of access for a certain segment of the gw playing public.
Cheers, Kali.
Edit: I would like to encourage people who do have the BMP to post pictures of anything significant they find. I think it will be very useful and allow people who don't have the content to draw their own conclusions.
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