Thursday, April 12, 2012

Does there exist artwork depicting pre-Cataclysm Orrians?

[:1]I could have sworn I once saw fan-art of the Krytan Undead next to a depiction of how they would've looked in human form. Basically this person fleshed out the skeletons and fixed up their ragged armor so that we could see what Orrians would have looked like before the Cataclysm. Even did a real good one of a Necrid Horseman atop a healthy, living horse decked out in the finest battle regalia.

Can't find it for the life of me, and now I fear I may have dreamt it.

Has anyone else heard of this?

Also, as the last people to chill with the Five Gods, can we expect their armor be a reasonable facsimile of what the Gods wore when they walked Arah? I mean, just about any nation that worships attempts to emulate their deities to some degree, so would it be safe to infer anything about the God's appearance from the Orrians' clothing/armor?|||No clue what you're talking about. And I wouldn't be too sure on the armor thing, time changes things, including designs.

Though eagles and wings are a predominant part of the Orrian armor, it would seem, and in the Hall of Heroes we have statues of winged creatures... and three gods (Dwayna, Melandru, and Grenth) are all depicted in one place or another to have wings...

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No clue what you're talking about. And I wouldn't be too sure on the armor thing, time changes things, including designs.





Including time spent underwater, underground, or otherwise dead? I think it's safe to assume they're wearing precisely what was on them the day Vizier read from the forbidden tomes. Unless The Lich went around rearmoring them in crusty old rags before deploying them as his troops.|||I don't think their dress would emulate that of the gods that much. I think it's far more likely that the god statues and the avatars that we encounter emulate the fashion of the time and region that we see them in.

For instance, the god statues in Elona have a very elonian feel to their dress.

And the Canthan ones are markedly different too.

So, I would suspect that it's actually the other way around. The gods are dressed in the same way as the people that worship them.

For a real world example, visit some of the ancient cities of Europe and The Middle East.

The people that live in say, Athens, Rome or Constantinoble (Istanbul) no longer dress like the statues of the ancient gods that are everywhere.

Granted, some of those statues are a few thousand years old, but the gods also supposedly left Arah over 1000 years ago in the Guild Wars timeline.

A lot can happen to fashion in a thousand years.|||Ok, I think I understand now what Konig was trying to tell me.


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Granted, some of those statues are a few thousand years old, but the gods also supposedly left Arah over 1000 years ago in the Guild Wars timeline.

A lot can happen to fashion in a thousand years.




He means a lot can change in the time between when the Gods left, and when the cataclysm took place. I'm sorry Konig, I read you all wrong.|||Exactly. And Orr was a trading center between Kryta, Elona and Cantha, so there was probably a mix of cultural traditions and artistic traditions there.|||Quote:






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I'm sorry Konig, I read you all wrong.




No problem.


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Exactly. And Orr was a trading center between Kryta, Elona and Cantha, so there was probably a mix of cultural traditions and artistic traditions there.




I don't recall reading that Orr was a trading center between Kryta, Elona, and Cantha.|||Does it need to be read or have a source to be an obvious implication of its location? If Cantha was trading with Kryta, I have little doubt that they would also trade with the Orrians along the way. The fact that the Corsairs were aware of the Orrians after their defeat also seems to suggest their ports were open for trade with Elonians, as the Corsairs likely wouldn't bother knowing of Orr unless there were ships to be pirated in the area. Perhaps the only reason they hadn't expanded into Krytan territory was due to the lack of inland bases from which to retreat to, which could be the same reasoning applied to Orr.|||Not in so many words. It's an obvious conclusion given the location of Orr though Konig.

Think about it.

If you were a Canthan trader, would you be shipping your goods all the way to Lion's Arch or dropping them off at the most convenient port in Orr?

Also, why sail all the way to LA if you can buy Krytan goods in an Orrian port?

And Jiaju Tai's dialogue supports this as well:

Player: But why Lion's Arch?

Jiaju Tai: "Where else should a Canthan fleet land? Ascalon is in ruins. Orr has sunken into the sea. The Dwarves don't properly appreciate imported goods. No, it had to be Kryta.

She only comes to Lion's Arch because she has to. It's the only North-Tyria port left after The Cataclysm.|||Simply trading is different from trading center. Which is what I meant and what I read. Was it the trading center of the three continents, or was it just one of the kingdoms which traded?

Orr wouldn't be the trading center of Tyria because of the Guild Wars - none of the kingdoms would trade with each other because they were in war. Kryta is a trade center because the war is gone and Ascalon is less profitable - though trade would occur, supposedly, between Kryta and Ascalon.

But Orr would still be trading with Cantha and Elona, that is undeniable.

Or is it?


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1071 AE Resurgent trade between Cantha and the devastated Tyrian kingdoms formalized in the Second Treaty of Lion's Arch.




During the Guild Wars, there was no trade with Cantha, specifically between 902 AE and 1071 AE.

So while Orr would have made an ideal trading location, the only time it could of been a trading center would between 221 AE (when Cantha started trading with Tyria) and 902 AE (when Cantha stopped trading with Tyria). :)

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