Two people in particular sparked the thought that brings this theory about, one that the Mursaat were the "architects" of the world, the other that the eye itself is actually a representation of the Five Gods. I think that, in fact, the eye is actually a representation of the Five Gods, that it is a symbol of them watching over Tyria. However, why place such symbols of importance in these strange isolated locations if you want your worshipers to know of it? This is where the Mursaat come in, I think that they worked in the background, building structures and cities before any human. Worshiping the Five Gods at one time themselves, and followed in their every step.
When the Exodus occurred, they felt betrayed, and abandoned their Temples, but did not deny their existence themselves. How could they? They sat on proof in the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, and in Bloodstone Fen. However, they needed to keep the Five Gods' remnants contained, their mess, so to speak. The Bloodstones were mainly guarded by them and they chose to use the ones that were close enough to be of use. It would seem likely that they had not been sacrificing the Chosen prior to their meeting of Saul, and it was by the Eye of Janthir that they discovered this property of the humans. That there was something significant about them, they must have discovered eventually that their blood could activate the Bloodstones.
I suspect that the runes and glyphs we see on Bloodstone Fen and the Bloodstone in Hell's Precipice were not actually there originally, rather they were put there by the Mursaat. Take note that the Bloodstone in the Bloodstone Caves shows no such markings and it looks very much like what may be a Bloodstone in its primitive state.
However, it also seems that the Mursaat may have known of its presence, and learned of another use for the runes that they had used previously. As seen here:
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However, I have overlooked something, return to the Temples for a moment and then remember the Temple of Grenth in the Underworld, it seems possible that the Five Gods did not notice their devotion. As such they most likely contracted them to build Temples of grand magnificence in places chosen by the Gods themselves. Grenth perhaps even allowed their presence in the Underworld to construct his very own palace, his throne, of the Underworld.
What brings me to this conclusion is something that has caused endless debate amongst those researching here.
This:
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And this:
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I think that I, with ideas from one who suggested they were architects, have found the link here. However, you may ask, what does this have to do with Abaddon's taste for eyes? The eyes are a symbol of the Five Gods, as I stated earlier, the Gods erased nearly every trace of Abaddon. His revenge is taken in a similar way, in feasting on the eyes of those who worship the Five Gods. Their symbol becomes torment for their devout worshipers.
Another element, to add to the Mursaat being architects, is found in Abaddon's domain, actually. Something I had noticed quite often as I explored the Atrocity Library is the bridge at the entrance to the Domain of Secrets. Its architecture resembles the Temples to Grenth, and Balthazar, and the very architecture of Grenth's own palace. What secrets are there to be found in that? The Mursaat while devout worshipers, did not want to be known by the other races, indeed it was only by chance Saul found them. So in a way it represents the secrets Abaddon held about the origins of this strange, yet magnificent architecture.|||Seems plausible. Do you think you can take the fact that Abbadon himself has 6 eyes into this theory.
One thing, we find another "Temple" for one of the Gods in Tyria, namely Lyssa's Ice Cave (Mineral Springs). No sign of eyes were find there.|||That isn't exactly a temple in the traditional sense, though. There really isn't much architecture around it at all.|||Quote:
Seems plausible. Do you think you can take the fact that Abbadon himself has 6 eyes into this theory.
One thing, we find another "Temple" for one of the Gods in Tyria, namely Lyssa's Ice Cave (Mineral Springs). No sign of eyes were find there.
That's not a temple, that's a plain shrine. Oddly located, yes, but architecturalwise, it can't be compated to the Temple of Grenth/Balthazar, it's identical to other shrines.
On Gmr's post, we don't get to see what's behind Kormir's bandage though. She's not completely blind per se either, she's able to follow us around in the RoT.
Here's a small theory as to why Abaddon eats eyes: He uses it to implement his magic into humans and turn them into Margonites. This however takes time to process, depending on the will of the human, which is why Kormir stays unchanged. However, being already affected by Abaddon, she's already in touch wuth his magic (cutscenes, quest dialog) and ultimately able to be the only one to harness it's power, having been able to resist for so long. The ultimate effect is changing into a Margonite, which explains why there were so many Margonites at the time, despite being almost wiped out (safe the Horde of Darkness) and being unable to breed (the Apostate).
We know a large amount of Kournans disappeared, and that they most likely had been turned into the Margonites we fight, it's doubtful so many changed willfully, so such a semi-forced way could be it. The whole "give in to the Dark Side, we have cookies" technique.
As to why Abby would do such a thing, we can guess quite easily. Abby feared humans, for they had the power to usurp him, most likely as he had foreseen as the God of Knowledge, and started the War for that. Changing them into Margonites, almost completely submitted to his will (safe the Apostate), who are unable to breed, corrupted to his image, and possibly by using a technique that at the same time takes revenge on the Five Gods. Sounds like a plan.|||That is always a possibility.|||Spoiler
Well Varesh still had her eyes left when she was turned in to a Margonite.|||I thought Abaddon wore a mask with 6 eyes, but probably doesn't have 6 eyes himself.
The mask probably represented his big ego of controlling all six of the godly dominions.
Eating eyes is probably a metaphor to the darkness that will engulf the victim. And the loss of means to communicate with their gods.|||he is the knower of secrets, he sees evry thing.. thats why he has 6 eyes, in my opinion|||Great points Gmr. Thanks for the post.
The idea of eyes being the symbols of the gods is particularly powerful, even if the Five True Gods may have abandoned their use after Abaddon's fall as being too closely associated with him.
It would explain Abaddon's obsession with six eyes as well. At first, it emphasized his supposed omniscience to his followers, and reminded them that his eyes were everywhere; the six may have even served as symbolic reminders that he saw and knew even what the other gods did, that there were no secrets in existence save for his own. Later, after the fall, it probably helped to serve as a reminder to the Margonites trapped in Torment that, even imprisoned, he was still one of the gods who, supposedly, made all things, and thus the Margonites owed him their eternal loyalty as their creator. Just a metaphor for his lieutenants to use to try to keep order in Torment for as long as they could and not have Torc'qua explode in civil strife or something.
Regarding the transformation of the Kournans who followed Varesh into the Desolation, it seems likely to me that the vast majority died along the way and never even had to face the issue of becoming true Margonites. The rigors of the Desolation likely decimated their ranks pretty thoroughly, and many of those who survived to enter the Mouth of Torment were likely driven hopelessly mad after just a short while in Torment.
Even Varesh, who was a very willing convert to Margonism, took a long time, many months, perhaps as much as a year, to fully assume her Margonite form. Few other Kournans probably lasted that long. It seems likely that you have to "completely accept Abaddon," as it were, to become a Margonite and I suspect that many of the poor Kournans whom Varesh dragged through hell, literally, were still praying to the Five Gods to just let them get home in one piece. We probably don't see any Kournans at all really in Torment because they were more useful to Varesh as food for her demons at that point.
Lastly, the idea of the mursaat being some of the most devoted followers of the Five True Gods might explain one more mystery from Prophecies: Who are the Seers and why are they called thus?
If the mursaat were actually doing the work of the Five Gods by killing Chosen and keeping the Door of Komalie closed, perhaps that means that their ancient enemies, the Seers, were actually working in the name of Abaddon. The connection to seeing and knowledge, Abaddon's domains, is there in the name. Furthermore, it is very curious that the Seers know precisely how to work with the essence of the eidolons, creatures of "malice and shade." They claimed to have come a great distance to fight the mursaat. Perhaps they are refugees from Torment who, somehow, found a way out, maybe through the Ravenheart Gloom which some think extends "even beyond the Mists."
If it's true that the mursaat were working for the Five True Gods while the Seers are actually Abaddon worshipers, it would be just one more example of how completely deceived the Chosen were in Prophecies by almost everyone they ever met, and casts even more doubt upon the place of Glint in the greater scheme of things.
Did she have any idea the context of the Flameseeker Prophecies, or was she just blindly reading out her visions with no actual knowledge of what might happen beyond the immediate images she was seeing? If she did know the greater ramifications of what she was prophesying, did she do it for her own sake? For Abaddon's? For the sake of the elder dragons?
Whatever the case, great thread Gmr.|||We know a couple of things. The Forgotten work directly for Glint and directly for the 5 Gods.
So unless Glint is a traitor she probably isn't working with either Abbadon or the Elder Dragons.
Makes me wonder, couldn't Glint (not because the Gods told her, but because the Forgotten might have told her) made sure the Titans would get out (and eventually be beaten by us, which was a certainty because she had foreseen it) so that the Forgotten would have an easier job making sure the Titans would break out of the Foundry of the Failed Creations?
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