[:1]So for a little work for the Halloween Workshop over on Guru1 and the official contest (nothing says you cannot turn in written work >.>), I had to figure out the day of the Tyrian year that Halloween fell on. Now I realized that finding Halloween's exact date may be impossible - and the same goes for the Dragon Festival. But I found some interesting bits out of it. I'll go through by my thought process:
At first, I tried just going "30 days for 10 months" - which net me Day 300 - the 30th day into the Season of the Colossus... which is winter.
I knew that was wrong, and it donned on me that the Tyrian and Gregorian calendars start at different times of the years - Gregorian starts mid-winter while the Tyrian starts on the Spring equinox. So it got me thinking when all of the holidays would technically fall on in Tyrian standards.
How I worked out what I got for Halloween was the following:
Typically, winter ends with the spring equinox (around March 21 in the Northern Hemisphere and September 21 in the Southern Hemisphere), so that would, more or less, be Day 360/Day 1 of the Tyrian calendar. I would assume at least Tyria follows closer to the northern hemisphere than southern.
If every month is turned to be 30 (as per the Canthan calendar, which has 12 months), that means 4 days are "cut" before December 21st (winter solstice and day 270 of all three Tyrian calendars) - making the Solstice closer to the 17th when using the months of reality rather than Tyrian dates. This should mean that day 271 (day 1 of Winter in Tyria) of the calendar is equivalent to December 17th.
With that, it should just be a matter of moving days. Since December would be 30 days, not 31, that would mean that there are 76 days to move (forward) in order to have the calendars synced up. This would mean what would be day 300 (Oct 30th - the new Halloween date) would be instead day 224 - Day 44 of the Season of the Scion (Autumn). Feels off, though given there's basically a month and a half between Halloween and the end of Autumn (47 days after reducing the number of days in the calendar by 5), I suppose it is reasonable.
However, Halloween was originally placed on the Autumn equinox - Samhein - so that means that Halloween could also be on day 1 of the Scion - on day 181 of the year.
Wintersday is clearly going to be on Day 360/Day 1 of the Tyrian year. But what of the Canthan New Year and of the Dragon Festival?
At first, I was completely confused on how to try to get this - Wintersday proves that Tyrian and reality dates for the festival are not 1:1 in terms of placement on the year (which furthers the possibility that Halloween is on day 181). However, I realized something from Prophecies:
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Today is the Summer Solstice. The sun has reached its apex, and Justiciar Hablion has gone to Shaemoor to prepare for the tests. Catch up with him there and he will help you acquire the Divine Eye.
Divinity Coast occurs on the 91st day of the year, then we have...
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Long into the Season of the Scion, Tyria is revived again.
The end of Prophecies occurs at the later half Autumn - meaning that all of Prophecies lasts from sometime in spring (as it all occurs during 1072 AE), and ends late fall - leaving Factions to occur in... Winter.
Wait? There's no snow! That leads me to one conclusion: Cantha has to be in the southern hemisphere (or hemisphere that would have the opposite seasons to Tyria and Elona).
This would place the Canthan New Year at the Tyrian date of the fall equinox as Canthans also start their year with the spring equinox. Thus placing the Canthan New Year on one of the biggest possibilities for when Halloween occurs (strangely enough), which implies that the Canthan New year and Halloween do not both occur on the Tyrian fall equinox.
Which causes another interesting fact: While the timelines we were given place the dates and calendars to be perfectly synced, they wouldn't be. Years for events on the timeline, when comparing the Mouvelian/Elonian calendars to the Canthan calendar, have the potential to be off depending on which 6 months they took place in.|||Wow, interesting. Thanks for posting.|||It's also possible that Cantha isn't in the southern hemisphere, but close enough to the equator to have snowless winters. (We don't know the size of the world of Tyria, so we don't know how many degrees of longitude there are between Tyria and Cantha.) That way, there's no conflict between the calenders.
Alternatively, you could argue that there's a two-month difference between the Tyrian and Canthan calenders, just as there is with the Western/Chinese calenders. Tyrians celebrate the new year on Wintersday (RL New Year's), while Canthans celebrate it on the Canthan New Year (about 2 months later). Unknown if the Canthan definition of seasons would also be adjusted by two months.
Finally, if Wintersday is on the Mouvelian New Year/first day of Zephyr (as the wiki claims), this means the 90 days before it would be the Season of the Colossus (winter), including Halloween.
My head hurts...|||That possibility was brought up on Guru2 - but there's two things I want to point out. Firstly, Wintersday happens during the Tyrian New Year, which is at the Spring Equinox (source). While this doesn't show that the calendars would have a difference, the Canthan New Year also starts at the spring equinox (source). So the only way that they can both start on the spring equinox while not being on the same day would be the hemisphere difference.
However, Cantha would still be close to the equator due to the lack of snow during the Canthan New Year.
Secondly, there was something was realized and brought to attention which I feel the need to do so here:
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There's a globe in that image, and shows both Tyria and Elona - with Elona around/near the equator position, it would seem.
As to the 2-month difference idea, I do not think that'd be possible. Note that the festivals do not happen in Tyrian time as they would in rl time - as pointed out above - both in this post and the OP. Halloween and Wintersday pointblank proves that's not the case. Another thing against the 2 month difference is what I first said in this post.
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